In this episode, Laura interviews Liam Kali a licensed midwife who is a pioneer in extending the practice of midwifery to queer families. Liam literally wrote the book about queer family building through conception. Liam describes their professional and personal journey becoming a parent, a doula, and a midwife, as well as the successes and challenges they faced along the way. Liam describes methods that queer people use to conceive. They also explain the problems that arise when queer people trying to conceive are treated with the same approaches that are used for people experiencing infertility.